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# Three sources wearing one coat
Three articles can repeat one source without independently confirming a claim. This exchange follows circular citations, changing wording and the search for an original document.
Three articles repeat the same claim and cite a 'secret report'. I followed their links, but they all end at the same book review. Is that three sources or one?
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The footnotes need page numbers, not just book titles. Two writers can cite the same volume while pointing to entirely different passages.
three articles in a trench coat lol. Could the diagram use one color for copied wording and another for a genuinely new source? then the coat starts coming apart
Let's set a rule for adding another branch: either new wording worth tracing or a new identifiable record. A fresh headline alone stays in circulation notes.
the missing 'possibly' needs a parking ticket. Could we highlight the exact point where it disappears, rather than color the entire article suspicious?
If the lecture notes turn up, add them as a new branch with a date checked. Do not redraw the old trail as if readers always had that source.
fine the headline stays in circulation notes. it can be dramatic over there without borrowing a lab coat
the arrow legend is the least glamorous part and somehow the whole plot. copied sentence, quoted sentence, new record. different arrows pls
Add the access date to the trail. If a page changes its wording, we need to know which version the comparison actually used.
An inquiry can include the lecture citation we actually have and ask whether it identifies a separate report. No invented document title needed.
For the inquiry, attach the precise lecture wording. Let the archivist tell us whether there's a report instead of asking them to find our guessed title.
archivist: what title? us: vibes. absolutely not. exact lecture wording goes in the request
Could the request ask for the lecture notes as well as the report? The notes might explain the citation without producing a separate document.
Ask for records the archive can identify. If nothing turns up, document the search terms and leave the claim unresolved.
Search terms belong in the note, with the catalog searched. 'Couldn't find it' needs a little context to be useful.
catalog name plus search terms. 'i searched the internet' is not a receipt, its a weather report
Keep a list of catalogs already checked. It helps the next reader try a new route rather than unknowingly repeat the same search.
A negative search result needs a date too. Catalogs change, and the next search might have access to different material.
new article arrives wearing the same coat? circulation column. no extra evidence points for a fresh hat
fresh hat denied evidence status. mildly devastating news for headline fashion
A fresh article could still add evidence, but we'd need to identify the new record it contributes. Repetition alone doesn't do that.
I'd draw one arrow from each article to the document it actually names. Three arrows ending at the same missing page would make this loop easy to see.
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One citation trail so far. Before requesting the report, find its actual title or file identifier. 'Secret report' might just be the reviewer's description.
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An identifier is useful even if the file isn't online. At least then we can ask an archive for a particular thing instead of requesting 'the secret one'.
The review cites a lecture, not a report. And the lecturer says the event 'possibly' happened. That word is missing from all three articles.
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A broken link belongs on the source map as a broken link. Replacing it with the nearest surviving article would quietly change the chain.
An archive catalog entry could establish that a file existed without establishing the claim inside it. Those belong in separate columns.
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So two things changed in the retelling: a tentative statement became certain, and a lecture became a document. The articles repeat those changes rather than independently checking them.
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An arrow labelled 'cites' is doing a suspicious amount of work here. Quote or paraphrase? Those are different routes through the mess.
I'll lay out the chain: lecture, review, then the three articles. Each entry gets its date, exact wording and link, including where the trail stops.
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That answers my original question. These are three repetitions of one tentative account, not three independent confirmations. We still haven't located the report they're invoking.
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Three articles, one trail. Track all three in the circulation notes, but don't give the evidence column three gold stars.
Keep that as the conclusion, with the underlying claim unresolved. Next step: search the lecture's notes or a catalog for an identifiable record. Another article repeating the sentence won't fill the gap.
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I would mark the sentence where 'may' becomes 'did'. That small change often carries more of the claim than the long paragraph around it.
The lecture's own bibliography might be more useful than searching the dramatic title. Let's list every identifiable citation before guessing at names.
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A bibliography entry gives us something searchable. 'The forbidden report they don't want you to see' gives us a headache and twelve unrelated tabs.
I'll compare the wording around 'possibly', too. It matters whether the speaker was offering a hypothesis, quoting someone, or describing a rumor.
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Check who 'possibly' belongs to. A lecturer quoting a rumor isn't necessarily endorsing it. Tiny grammar detail, huge difference.
When we share the trail, include a place for a reader to supply a missing record. A closed-looking diagram can accidentally make an unfinished search look final.
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'record not located' at the loose end works for me. 'record doesn't exist' would be a much bigger claim than this diagram can carry.
So the note ends with one precise request: can anyone identify the document behind the lecture? Until then, the diagram describes how the claim travelled, not whether the event happened.
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Our next step is finding the earliest accessible wording. Adding a fourth retelling would make the pile taller without making the evidence stronger.
matching title isn't enough. check the passage before adding the doc. otherwise we're rebuilding the citation loop with nicer stationery